leprosy to the deficit? >> i think that's his you view. >> so that was a fair interaction. >> one of the problems we have is sort of the jumpiness. andrew sullivan finds a poll, freaks out, and you kind of got to tell him to fall back, and i saw at least on buzz feed they originally ran with the big headline that ryan stormed out of this interview and then people said, well, he ended it early. you get caught up on those kerfuffles. it's a clear illustration of his view. i don't think he was out of line in the way he answered the question. he pointed only to charities to solve these problems. there's reames of research that shows local charities do great work but they cannot conquer the kind of issue that is were on the table there. >> i don't know, to that point, the specific elements of the ryan budget as voted through the house for the fiscal period up to 2013 actually would eviscerate pell grants, kill support of -- whas it called safe start -- head start, and all these provithss for people in low income families where crime is often very high in areas where crime is often very
